<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Downsides of Automated Finances</title> <atom:link href="http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/29/downsides-of-automated-finances/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/29/downsides-of-automated-finances/#utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=downsides-of-automated-finances</link> <description>Where finance and reality meet</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:59:31 -0400</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Lulu</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/29/downsides-of-automated-finances/comment-page-1/#comment-1990</link> <dc:creator>Lulu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:18:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=2083#comment-1990</guid> <description>Jack I don&#039;t think that automating means you never look at your bills. I have automated my electric bill where I set it up to be paid automatically via my Chase card. The electric company sends me an email that says what my usage is so I know before the paper bill comes. As long as it is under the budgeted amount then I don&#039;t need to worry about it. Automating means that I do not have to go and pull out the checkbook and write a check for the amount every month. Now there are other things that go on the credit card and then I use ING to automatically send out a check to Chase so that my bill is paid in full every month. Everything is in Mint online which makes a graph that shows you what you are spending on and it is color coded to make the graphs stand out even more.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack I don&#8217;t think that automating means you never look at your bills. I have automated my electric bill where I set it up to be paid automatically via my Chase card. The electric company sends me an email that says what my usage is so I know before the paper bill comes. As long as it is under the budgeted amount then I don&#8217;t need to worry about it. Automating means that I do not have to go and pull out the checkbook and write a check for the amount every month. Now there are other things that go on the credit card and then I use ING to automatically send out a check to Chase so that my bill is paid in full every month. Everything is in Mint online which makes a graph that shows you what you are spending on and it is color coded to make the graphs stand out even more.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jack @ Master Your Card</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/29/downsides-of-automated-finances/comment-page-1/#comment-1988</link> <dc:creator>Jack @ Master Your Card</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:21:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=2083#comment-1988</guid> <description>Very good points re: fluctuating bills and errors. I think bill automation is somewhat at odds with one of the principles of personal finance: awareness of your spending. How can you know if your spending way too much on gas and electric if you never look at your bill? Of course, one solution is to always look at your statements, but if you&#039;re like me, you just file them without opening the envelope.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points re: fluctuating bills and errors. I think bill automation is somewhat at odds with one of the principles of personal finance: awareness of your spending. How can you know if your spending way too much on gas and electric if you never look at your bill? Of course, one solution is to always look at your statements, but if you&#8217;re like me, you just file them without opening the envelope.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kenyantykoon</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/29/downsides-of-automated-finances/comment-page-1/#comment-1987</link> <dc:creator>kenyantykoon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:41:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=2083#comment-1987</guid> <description>none of my bills are automated since i find it easier to analyse the nitty gritty and see exactly how they work, this would be harder for me with automated billing but of late i have been seeing their advantages an seriously considering it</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>none of my bills are automated since i find it easier to analyse the nitty gritty and see exactly how they work, this would be harder for me with automated billing but of late i have been seeing their advantages an seriously considering it</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vinny Financio</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/29/downsides-of-automated-finances/comment-page-1/#comment-1986</link> <dc:creator>Vinny Financio</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:53:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=2083#comment-1986</guid> <description>I only automate our finances to a point. I don&#039;t use any automatic withdrwal plans for bills and I only use online bill pay through my banks. That way I have complete control over our money all the time and any disputes should be easy. It does require that I manually send online payments but it only takes a second and it keeps my finger on the pulse of our income and our out-go.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only automate our finances to a point. I don&#8217;t use any automatic withdrwal plans for bills and I only use online bill pay through my banks. That way I have complete control over our money all the time and any disputes should be easy. It does require that I manually send online payments but it only takes a second and it keeps my finger on the pulse of our income and our out-go.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lulu</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/29/downsides-of-automated-finances/comment-page-1/#comment-1985</link> <dc:creator>Lulu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:31:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=2083#comment-1985</guid> <description>Or another way to pay the bills is to use the auto pay from the credit card site. I would NEVER allow my electric company (or any other biller) to access my bank account.  I set up the autopay on my credit card and then I use ING to push a payment to the credit card company. The credit card does not access my bank info either and it is easier to get an error reversed if paid on the credit card.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or another way to pay the bills is to use the auto pay from the credit card site. I would NEVER allow my electric company (or any other biller) to access my bank account.  I set up the autopay on my credit card and then I use ING to push a payment to the credit card company. The credit card does not access my bank info either and it is easier to get an error reversed if paid on the credit card.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Harr @ TodayForward</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/29/downsides-of-automated-finances/comment-page-1/#comment-1984</link> <dc:creator>Michael Harr @ TodayForward</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:46:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=2083#comment-1984</guid> <description>I am a HUGE advocate of automation in many areas of one&#039;s budget, but I think that your method is slightly different.  Rather than having to setup bill payments with each of your payees (using their service instead of your bank&#039;s), there are added layers of administrative costs (your time) and risks (your money).Here&#039;s how we do budgeting and bill payment:1.  All bills receive a recurring payment through our bank&#039;s bill pay system. 2.  The amounts are the same each and every month including utilities and other variable amount recurring bills. 3.  A credit builds up over time with utilities companies and each December, we simply skip a payment online and use the money to buy gifts for the holidays.We do NOT setup any kind of bill payment with anyone outside of our bank.  The reasons, as you mention, is that you can get a surprise that can cause a cascading problem throughout your financial life.For all of our other expenses that don&#039;t come on a bill, we use cash for everything except for gas (it&#039;s a pain to pre-pay and go back to the pump).  For gas, we have a weekly budget allowance that changes based on any significant swings in gas prices.By doing things this way, you can (1) eliminate shocks to your finances from strange/incorrect bills, (2) reduce your time going to various sites and manage things from a single place, (3) balance your checkbook a year in advance, and (4) create a kind of forced savings by overpaying a bit during the year so you have more money when you need it most - during the holidays.Also, because we have this forced savings built in, we are more conscious of our energy usage throughout the year.  By doing some basic energy conservation things (installing CFLs, putting electronics on power strips that are tied to a switch that turns off before bed, etc.), our energy bill has gone down each of the last three years.  Last year we skipped two monthly payments and this made for a nice addition in November/December.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a HUGE advocate of automation in many areas of one&#8217;s budget, but I think that your method is slightly different.  Rather than having to setup bill payments with each of your payees (using their service instead of your bank&#8217;s), there are added layers of administrative costs (your time) and risks (your money).</p><p>Here&#8217;s how we do budgeting and bill payment:</p><p>1.  All bills receive a recurring payment through our bank&#8217;s bill pay system.<br /> 2.  The amounts are the same each and every month including utilities and other variable amount recurring bills.<br /> 3.  A credit builds up over time with utilities companies and each December, we simply skip a payment online and use the money to buy gifts for the holidays.</p><p>We do NOT setup any kind of bill payment with anyone outside of our bank.  The reasons, as you mention, is that you can get a surprise that can cause a cascading problem throughout your financial life.</p><p>For all of our other expenses that don&#8217;t come on a bill, we use cash for everything except for gas (it&#8217;s a pain to pre-pay and go back to the pump).  For gas, we have a weekly budget allowance that changes based on any significant swings in gas prices.</p><p>By doing things this way, you can (1) eliminate shocks to your finances from strange/incorrect bills, (2) reduce your time going to various sites and manage things from a single place, (3) balance your checkbook a year in advance, and (4) create a kind of forced savings by overpaying a bit during the year so you have more money when you need it most &#8211; during the holidays.</p><p>Also, because we have this forced savings built in, we are more conscious of our energy usage throughout the year.  By doing some basic energy conservation things (installing CFLs, putting electronics on power strips that are tied to a switch that turns off before bed, etc.), our energy bill has gone down each of the last three years.  Last year we skipped two monthly payments and this made for a nice addition in November/December.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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