<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: What We Can Learn From Christopher Columbus</title> <atom:link href="http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/#utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=learn-from-christopher-columbus</link> <description>Where finance and reality meet</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:59:31 -0400</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Kyle</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-2227</link> <dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:35:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-2227</guid> <description>While I don&#039;t condone the actions of Christopher Columbus or his crew he was acting in the interest of self preservation. He was supposed to find a trade route to India and he didn&#039;t so he had to return with something and that meant gold and slaves. I am not a historian so I can&#039;t pretend to know all of the facts but I am sure that we can make the same statements about all of the early explorers to the Americas. Hell even after America was well settled we still stole land from the Indians and participated in slavery. It is an unfortunate part of the past that may not have looked quite so atrocious to those people living in Europe at the time.It is clear that time has a way of fashioning history to be something not necessarily untruthful but much more glamorous than the reality.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t condone the actions of Christopher Columbus or his crew he was acting in the interest of self preservation. He was supposed to find a trade route to India and he didn&#8217;t so he had to return with something and that meant gold and slaves. I am not a historian so I can&#8217;t pretend to know all of the facts but I am sure that we can make the same statements about all of the early explorers to the Americas. Hell even after America was well settled we still stole land from the Indians and participated in slavery. It is an unfortunate part of the past that may not have looked quite so atrocious to those people living in Europe at the time.</p><p>It is clear that time has a way of fashioning history to be something not necessarily untruthful but much more glamorous than the reality.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aishah Bowron</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-2226</link> <dc:creator>Aishah Bowron</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:08:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-2226</guid> <description>Christopher Columbus is a serial killer By : Aishah BowronI donâ€™t like Christopher Columbus because he is a serial killer. He is the Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy of the 1400s. He enslaved, killed and butchered millions of Indians in the New World. I read about other serial killers before, but nothing worse than this guy. This Christopher Columbus guy is so evil and so pig-brain that all he cared about is gold and land. Yes , he stole the lands from the Indians, took their properties from them and sold them into slavery. He is also a damn blasted liar as Burning Spear would say.  He and his merry men would torture the poor Indians, and after the Indians died. They (Indians) were fed to the animals. Christopher Columbus is certainly reincarnated from a pig, because he is  so greedy. Also Lord Columbus hanged the twelve Indians over the fire and tied another twelve  to then stake in front of as huge bonfire. Lord Columbus is possessed by the Devil and he worked for the Devil and he talked to the Devil. Also Columbus cut the hands and feet of the nIndians until their feet bled.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Columbus is a serial killer<br /> By : Aishah Bowron</p><p>I donâ€™t like Christopher Columbus because he is a serial killer. He is the Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy of the 1400s. He enslaved, killed and butchered millions of Indians in the New World. I read about other serial killers before, but nothing worse than this guy. This Christopher Columbus guy is so evil and so pig-brain that all he cared about is gold and land. Yes , he stole the lands from the Indians, took their properties from them and sold them into slavery. He is also a damn blasted liar as Burning Spear would say.  He and his merry men would torture the poor Indians, and after the Indians died. They (Indians) were fed to the animals. Christopher Columbus is certainly reincarnated from a pig, because he is  so greedy. Also Lord Columbus hanged the twelve Indians over the fire and tied another twelve  to then stake in front of as huge bonfire. Lord Columbus is possessed by the Devil and he worked for the Devil and he talked to the Devil. Also Columbus cut the hands and feet of the nIndians until their feet bled.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kathleen</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-2047</link> <dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:21:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-2047</guid> <description>does anyone know the name of christopher columbus&#039;s dog???</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone know the name of christopher columbus&#8217;s dog???</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kyle</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-1964</link> <dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:28:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-1964</guid> <description>We could say the same about any society, culture or people. The Indians had no qualms about wiping out the other natives as the English had no problem with the crusades, etc. etc.  If you dig deep enough into the history of any society you are going to find atrocities that were carried out as part of the &quot;greater good&quot; call it population control, call it pure evil, or call it stupidity. No culture is immune and not surprisingly it is usually driven by greed. Greed to be the greatest, have the most land, have the most money, or the best religion. None of it matters to the people who lost their lives for no reason.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could say the same about any society, culture or people. The Indians had no qualms about wiping out the other natives as the English had no problem with the crusades, etc. etc.  If you dig deep enough into the history of any society you are going to find atrocities that were carried out as part of the &#8220;greater good&#8221; call it population control, call it pure evil, or call it stupidity. No culture is immune and not surprisingly it is usually driven by greed. Greed to be the greatest, have the most land, have the most money, or the best religion. None of it matters to the people who lost their lives for no reason.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: FFB</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-1962</link> <dc:creator>FFB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:59:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-1962</guid> <description>People&#039;s History of the United States.  Lots of incredible information in there.  You&#039;d be surprised about some of our president&#039;s actions.  I believe it was Jackson (?) that also contributed to the demise of the Native American.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People&#8217;s History of the United States.  Lots of incredible information in there.  You&#8217;d be surprised about some of our president&#8217;s actions.  I believe it was Jackson (?) that also contributed to the demise of the Native American.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-1929</link> <dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:20:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-1929</guid> <description>Ah well, I won&#039;t debate any of these points because you&#039;re right - I wasn&#039;t aware of most of that history and have no way of refuting it (and frankly, it&#039;s hijacking the intention of the post). I have no dog in the fight.Too bad that much of that story isn&#039;t taught, then.  And as far as Adolf Hitler Day goes, if Germany had won WWII you bet they&#039;d have one.  If the South had won the Civil War I doubt we&#039;d remember Lincoln&#039;s birthday.  History is always written by the victors, which is a morally neutral idea - simply human nature.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah well, I won&#8217;t debate any of these points because you&#8217;re right &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t aware of most of that history and have no way of refuting it (and frankly, it&#8217;s hijacking the intention of the post). I have no dog in the fight.</p><p>Too bad that much of that story isn&#8217;t taught, then.  And as far as Adolf Hitler Day goes, if Germany had won WWII you bet they&#8217;d have one.  If the South had won the Civil War I doubt we&#8217;d remember Lincoln&#8217;s birthday.  History is always written by the victors, which is a morally neutral idea &#8211; simply human nature.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MLR</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-1928</link> <dc:creator>MLR</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:58:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-1928</guid> <description>Steve --I (can&#039;t speak for the other commenter) am blaming the actual atrocities that CC committed on him. The later ones that happened may have been influenced by him, but are not directly his fault.He financed his voyage with debt. Part of the stipulation was that he would have to pay back his loan using profits gathered along the way. Because of the debt he frantically jumped island to island, plundering along the way.He started what would later become the Atlantic Slave Trade within a year of landing on Hispaniola. However, he ran into a problem. He couldn&#039;t fit every native on a ship. So, with his determination and ingenuity, he instead put them to work on plantations.His &quot;posse&quot; beat, raped, tortured, and killed natives. The bodies were then used as dog food. They wound hang natives 13 at a time (the 12 apostles and Jesus Christ), wrap straw around their bodies, and burn them alive. They took babies and smashed them against rocks.Estimated population when he arrived: 3,000,000 (via Bartolome de Las Casas. 20th century historians have estimated as high as 8,500,000) Estimated population when CC left: 100,000 Estimated population in 1550: 0Once they had whittled the population to 0, they turned to other places for slaves. As we know, Africa was next.Using your Dalton example, this would be akin to Dalton using test nuclear bombs on third world countries. After killing a few hundred thousand people he would come back to the USA with a perfected technology and we would honor him with a &quot;John Dalton Day.&quot;The only other Federal holiday that celebrates someone on the basis of name is Martin Luther King Jr Day. Kind of disturbing that a man who virtually started the Atlantic Slave Trade and started a wave of genocide is celebrated just the same as a civil rights leader.For the record, I am not attacking either of you. I am attacking the revisionist history that our schools teach.Example: I walk into your house and see your brand new plasma TV. In order to steal it I have to beat you up, kick your dog, and stomp on your child&#039;s teddy. By all accounts, I am a bad man. If you apply a revisionist history to this story: I was wandering around and discovered a brand new plasma TV in the vicinity of other people. Being the most worthy, I claimed it first.Sorry for the graphic nature of some of the points. I think they will drive the point home a little better to anyone who thinks CC was just an average explorer.Would you feel the same way if Germany had a &quot;Heinrich Himmler&quot; or &quot;Adolf Hitler&quot; day and gospelized the merits of the holiday to school children using revisionist history and cute cartoons?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211;</p><p>I (can&#8217;t speak for the other commenter) am blaming the actual atrocities that CC committed on him. The later ones that happened may have been influenced by him, but are not directly his fault.</p><p>He financed his voyage with debt. Part of the stipulation was that he would have to pay back his loan using profits gathered along the way. Because of the debt he frantically jumped island to island, plundering along the way.</p><p>He started what would later become the Atlantic Slave Trade within a year of landing on Hispaniola. However, he ran into a problem. He couldn&#8217;t fit every native on a ship. So, with his determination and ingenuity, he instead put them to work on plantations.</p><p>His &#8220;posse&#8221; beat, raped, tortured, and killed natives. The bodies were then used as dog food. They wound hang natives 13 at a time (the 12 apostles and Jesus Christ), wrap straw around their bodies, and burn them alive. They took babies and smashed them against rocks.</p><p>Estimated population when he arrived: 3,000,000 (via Bartolome de Las Casas. 20th century historians have estimated as high as 8,500,000)<br /> Estimated population when CC left: 100,000<br /> Estimated population in 1550: 0</p><p>Once they had whittled the population to 0, they turned to other places for slaves. As we know, Africa was next.</p><p>Using your Dalton example, this would be akin to Dalton using test nuclear bombs on third world countries. After killing a few hundred thousand people he would come back to the USA with a perfected technology and we would honor him with a &#8220;John Dalton Day.&#8221;</p><p>The only other Federal holiday that celebrates someone on the basis of name is Martin Luther King Jr Day. Kind of disturbing that a man who virtually started the Atlantic Slave Trade and started a wave of genocide is celebrated just the same as a civil rights leader.</p><p>For the record, I am not attacking either of you. I am attacking the revisionist history that our schools teach.</p><p>Example: I walk into your house and see your brand new plasma TV. In order to steal it I have to beat you up, kick your dog, and stomp on your child&#8217;s teddy. By all accounts, I am a bad man. If you apply a revisionist history to this story: I was wandering around and discovered a brand new plasma TV in the vicinity of other people. Being the most worthy, I claimed it first.</p><p>Sorry for the graphic nature of some of the points. I think they will drive the point home a little better to anyone who thinks CC was just an average explorer.</p><p>Would you feel the same way if Germany had a &#8220;Heinrich Himmler&#8221; or &#8220;Adolf Hitler&#8221; day and gospelized the merits of the holiday to school children using revisionist history and cute cartoons?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-1927</link> <dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:30:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-1927</guid> <description>I&#039;m with you, Kyle.  Columbus was an explorer, and he can hardly be blamed for later abuses.  That&#039;s like blaming John Dalton for the nuclear bomb because he discovered the atom.  Columbus&#039;s achievements, both in getting the voyage funded and in actually completing the trip to the Americas, was impressive.  There&#039;s no need to blame later atrocities on him.  His intent was clearly to prove that there was a trade route to the west to India - no more, no less.  He wasn&#039;t setting out to destroy the Native Americans (and let&#039;s not overplay their simplicity; many of them were just as warlike as their European counterparts).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, Kyle.  Columbus was an explorer, and he can hardly be blamed for later abuses.  That&#8217;s like blaming John Dalton for the nuclear bomb because he discovered the atom.  Columbus&#8217;s achievements, both in getting the voyage funded and in actually completing the trip to the Americas, was impressive.  There&#8217;s no need to blame later atrocities on him.  His intent was clearly to prove that there was a trade route to the west to India &#8211; no more, no less.  He wasn&#8217;t setting out to destroy the Native Americans (and let&#8217;s not overplay their simplicity; many of them were just as warlike as their European counterparts).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kyle</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-1925</link> <dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:09:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-1925</guid> <description>Eveyone is quick to hate on CC, sure he was the first person to hop on over here and start abusing the natives. This isn&#039;t a revelation limited to the New World. Had Columbus not wandered across the ocean another explorer would have and the outcome would have been the same.I am not saying, nor did I say, anything about his abuse of natives to be inspirational. I spoke of his drive to succeed and the conditions he was under when he achieved them. You can&#039;t tell me that is not an accomplishment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eveyone is quick to hate on CC, sure he was the first person to hop on over here and start abusing the natives. This isn&#8217;t a revelation limited to the New World. Had Columbus not wandered across the ocean another explorer would have and the outcome would have been the same.</p><p>I am not saying, nor did I say, anything about his abuse of natives to be inspirational. I spoke of his drive to succeed and the conditions he was under when he achieved them. You can&#8217;t tell me that is not an accomplishment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: P</title><link>http://www.suburbandollar.com/2009/10/12/learn-from-christopher-columbus/comment-page-1/#comment-1924</link> <dc:creator>P</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:51:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.suburbandollar.com/?p=1952#comment-1924</guid> <description>Columbus&#039;s founding America led to abuse and killing of native americans and their land. And he was actually looking for India for its spices not USA. If you want to look at simplicity, look at the simplicity of native americans even now. (No, I am not native american but I do really think they are inspiration)I am sorry, I do not find columbus inspiring.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Columbus&#8217;s founding America led to abuse and killing of native americans and their land. And he was actually looking for India for its spices not USA. If you want to look at simplicity, look at the simplicity of native americans even now. (No, I am not native american but I do really think they are inspiration)</p><p>I am sorry, I do not find columbus inspiring.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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